It really does tick me off that so many Republicans voted for Lieberman.
It's bad enough we had to take this beating to begin with but to have stooped so low as to support Lieberman over the party's own canidate is just disgraceful.
Liberman vs. Lamont: It was choosing the lesser of two evils.
Lamont can take his lame hybrid back to Greenwich now...and enjoy paying higher taxes his new elected Deomocrat buds will now enact. A little irony there.
I agree with you anonymous, it ticked me off that republicans voted for him too! It's such a disgrace when people actually stop voting for the party, and they start voting for the candidate they agree with, and like the most.
I think you missed my point, probably poorly made on my part. So let me be clearer and see what you think....
Had there been no Lamnot, and Lieberman was running alone as the Democratic candidate in a typical two way race, I assume many if not most of the Republicans who voted for Lieberman yesterday, would have then instead voted for Schlesinger. In my opinion he showed himself to be a reasonable candidate after all. I don't doubt the outcome of that election would still be the same however.
But yesterday in a three way race, had those same Republicans voted for Schlesinger, and not Lieberman that would have left a spilt Democratic vote between Lamont, and Lieberman, quite possibly resulting in electing Schlesinger.
Instead, by voting for Lieberman they were not voting for the guy they liked the best as you say, they voted for guy they thought most likely to guarantee them that Lamnot didn't win. Why then even have a Republican canidate?
You can disagree with my logic fine, I understand. I happen to respectfully disagree with you that many Republicans who voted for Lieberman did so without holding hard on their noses at the same time.
The Republican party in this state is in shambles, and I submit that this sort of party support is one small example as to why. If we are ever going to be a force in this state we have to believe in ourselves.
Nah, I doubt a lot of Republicans would have voted Schloser in this election. I know I would have stuck with Lieberman. The problem is republicans keep nominating a loser to run for Senate.
If the President and/or other Republican leaders (Romney, Guiliani, Club for Growth, Santorum, McCain) had come out in support of Schlesinger, then his candidacy would have been taken more seriously.
The problem Andrew is the Republicans are really short with good candidates to run for any office in this state, let alone senate. I mean come on, we can't even do better than Nappier, and Wyman for example?
Let me ask a simple question to prove my point. Can anyone name even one or two Republicans who could give Chris Murphy a run for his money in 2008 in the 5th district? I don't mean some sacrificial lamb, I mean a real canidate. The only name I can think of is maybe Caligiuri. But then do we have a reasonable canidate to take his place in the 16th ?
The Republican party in this state needs to be thinking right now about this, or this will be just one more seat in the Democrats hands until Chris Murphy decides to run for senate in 6 years. Even then there will be plenty of Democrats ready to step in behind him.
We can't run good candidates for these offices because we don't have many to run. And if we don't support our candidates to begin with, we're dead. Which last I looked is just about where we are.
I don't live in the 5th, I live in the 4th, so I could only think of one right now is Ryan Bingham. Will he win? I'm not sure, but I think it could be a good challenge.
I would have not voted for Lieberman if they had taken Alan out, and replaced him with Jack Orchulli. He is a great guy, and I worked with him when he was helping Richard Moccia run for mayor here in Norwalk.
I agree, there aren't a lot of Republicans in general to run for these offices. But there was something about Alan that rubbed me the wrong way, and I just couldn't vote for him.
How are we supposed to elect Republicans when half the Republicans keep voting for liberal abortion cheerleading Democrats?
Hey you, Lieberman guy. I don't know which "Anonymous" you are but do me a favor: Get into your car, go down to town hall and pick up a voter registration card.
Fill in your address and your REAL name and in the box marked "party" put “Democrat” because that is what you are.
Weiker-Lieberman-Rell-Shays-Chaffee.
Any one but me see a pattern here?
I would much rather vote for nobodys and have them lose every year than to prostitute myself supporting some liberal Democrats pretending to be a Republican.
What the hell is the point? This isn’t a game. Elections are about public policy. Not the headlines the next day after the election. If that is all you care about than either more to a more red state or join the liberal Democrats.
Those are your choices. But my Republican Party is not for sale.
--At any price.
Simmons served with honor and I will never be sorry I voted for him. Your mistake is that you think a office holder loses his or her job always because they made a mistake.
No, not always. Sometimes you are punished for doing the right thing. A real leader (which Simmons and Johnson are) does the right thing which is not always the popular thing. Sometimes a leader has to take a fall for what is right. That's leadership. No guts; no glory.
Non-leaders like Rell and Shays will always do the popular thing. And they may win more elections but what have either of these two liberal nit-wits ever done public policy wise? Nothing. Thats what. They are office holders. That is what they do. They just sit there.
Simmons showed more leadership and got more done in a couple of terms than Sam Gejdenson did is all his 20 years in congress.
Lets remember that and don't be a bit sad. He did us proud.
>>How are we supposed to elect Republicans when half the Republicans keep voting for liberal abortion cheerleading Democrats?
Seeing as it was Republicans not the Supreme Court that 1st brought safe, legal pregnancy termination to the U.S. a few years prior to the Roe decision; maybe it's you that's out of touch.
The choice is not, nor ever has been abortion or not, it's safe legal abortion or illegal back ally abortion or not.
Depending on how the question is phrased, CT Republicans are up to 68% pro-choice.
Neither abortion nor anything "gay" is a consitutional issue; the 2nd ammendment however is.
A less intrusive gov't is a Republican value; that includes restraining what seemed like good ideas that have gone wild like the EPA, FDA, OSHA and would not include any endorsement of bedroom police.
I'd be a lot more interested in protecting others rights to express themselves including their religion (ie: nativity scenes on town greens, prayer in school, etc.) than in ranting and raving about something such as abortion.
Until we collectively protect our religious heritage we can expect no serious long term improvement in the moral stature of the nations citizenry at large.
Let me try asking some different questions here.....Why do we think the Republicans took such a beating this week??
Nationally, Is it Iraq? Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld? The economy? all of the above? None of the above?
Locally,are things so good here in Connecticut that we should elect a Democratic super majority? Do we like high taxes? Billions in under funded teacher and state worker pensions? Billions in unfunded state mandates that drive our property taxes so high that less and less of us can afford to live here? State worker benefits that no one in the private world could ever dream of?
Why is it we keep electing Democrats to the General Assemby, and Republican Governors who are key in making this mess? Why is it every election we lose more and more Republican seats in the General Assembly?
What is the message(s) we Republicans need and want to deliver to the average voters in Connecticut that will wake them up? How do we deliver it, and even harder, after we deliver it how then do we get elected?
I have a perfect story for just that. I went down to Mystic one year for a Gary Franks fund raiser. (Now there is a real Republican!)
I was starved so I was eating and drinking at the same time listening to Gary when this loudmouth right beside me screams at the top of her lungs "When are you people going to send me and Tony some help?"
She scared me to death --- then I got ticked off. Because it was none other than State Senator Cathy Cook. I behaved and didn't make a scene but I really wanted to shout back at her something like "When are you going to do something in Hartford to raise an issue or two that we can use election time?”
Problem is that what few office holders we have just sit there like a bump on a log. I was glad to see Cathy win in -- must have been 92 or 94 -- but she never raised any issues. No red meat. There is no issue that Cathy Cook brought to the pubic square. Not a thing. I am sure she introduced bills and such but she never used her office to get issues out there that rank and file Republicans could latch onto.
Sure she would have lost on any hot button issues she brought up but so what? She should have introduced a bill to do something that will appeal to the average Joe like cut spending or cut taxes or get rid of partial birth abortion or cut welfare or cut out corporate welfare or expand the death penalty or perhaps a police officer's bill of rights (ask me about that some time).
Sure Cook would lose. But then you go to the voters and say "I am for this and so it this guy. Vote for us both". You need issues to move votes. You can argue about which issues those should be but you need issues. Then you run ads that feature those issues.
Thing is Cook never tried to do anything like that. So that’s why Cathy didn’t get any help.
And why the Democrats have full control of the state government right now.
I don’t see much hope for making serious gains in the immediate future.
Hi Mccommas and all, So the question, what is the Republican message? I guess I need to ask do we care about the future for our kids or not? Let's assume we do.
Then the message needs to be this. If this state were a business we would be bankrupt. If the Governor, members of the General Assembly, the Treasurer and Comptroller of this state were on the Board of Directors of any company on the NYSE that ran their business this way they would all be in jail by now.
You have to hand it to Chris Murphy. Get in, help screw things up while advancing your career, then get out ASAP before your mess catches up to you.
We are so far in debt the average voter has no way to understand the numbers. Which by the way works very well for democrats like Murphy.
The only intelligent comment I heard this entire election cycle from any candidate for any office was this: "We live within our ability to pay". (unfortunately, we really don't) but at least it came from none other than Jodi Rell. Not he sharpest knife in the drawer, but the only one with enough guts to be honest, even if it were just for that moment.
So the message has to be we have mortgaged our children's future, now we need to start to dig out of the hole. That means sacrifice, but unless we do the only jobs coming into this state will be at Walmart and CVS. Unless we do we are leaving our kids to deal with an unimaginable mess.
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Chaffee is Out!
Yes!
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mccommas, at 10:10 PM
I have two words for Chafee and Lamont:
BUH-BYE!
And this piece of advice. Don't let the door hit your @$$ on the way out.
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Patriot World, at 10:40 PM
LIE-berman is a joke and so are those stupid enough to vote for him!
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Anonymous, at 11:28 PM
It really does tick me off that so many Republicans voted for Lieberman.
It's bad enough we had to take this beating to begin with but to have stooped so low as to support Lieberman over the party's own canidate is just disgraceful.
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Anonymous, at 11:04 AM
Liberman vs. Lamont: It was choosing the lesser of two evils.
Lamont can take his lame hybrid back to Greenwich now...and enjoy paying higher taxes his new elected Deomocrat buds will now enact. A little irony there.
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Anonymous, at 11:36 AM
I agree with you anonymous, it ticked me off that republicans voted for him too! It's such a disgrace when people actually stop voting for the party, and they start voting for the candidate they agree with, and like the most.
Tsk, what has this world come too.
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Andrew, at 12:45 PM
Actually I would have much rather voted for Lamont than Lieberman.
He is the more conservative of the pair.
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mccommas, at 4:38 PM
And I agree that it is an absolute disgrace. You got that right.
Republicans in CT that voted for Lieberman are out and out prostitutes.
Prostitutes that woke up this morning to discover that Liberal Joe didn't leave the fee on the night stand.
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mccommas, at 4:40 PM
Andrew,
I think you missed my point, probably poorly made on my part. So let me be clearer and see what you think....
Had there been no Lamnot, and Lieberman was running alone as the Democratic candidate in a typical two way race, I assume many if not most of the Republicans who voted for Lieberman yesterday, would have then instead voted for Schlesinger. In my opinion he showed himself to be a reasonable candidate after all. I don't doubt the outcome of that election would still be the same however.
But yesterday in a three way race, had those same Republicans voted for Schlesinger, and not Lieberman that would have left a spilt Democratic vote between Lamont, and Lieberman, quite possibly resulting in electing Schlesinger.
Instead, by voting for Lieberman they were not voting for the guy they liked the best as you say, they voted for guy they thought most likely to guarantee them that Lamnot didn't win. Why then even have a Republican canidate?
You can disagree with my logic fine, I understand. I happen to respectfully disagree with you that many Republicans who voted for Lieberman did so without holding hard on their noses at the same time.
The Republican party in this state is in shambles, and I submit that this sort of party support is one small example as to why. If we are ever going to be a force in this state we have to believe in ourselves.
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Anonymous, at 4:57 PM
Another great showing by the Foley-Proto-Healey triumvirate.
POCOCK -- Loser
ABBATE -- Loser
SCLESINGER -- Big Loser
SIMMONS -- Loser (and shouldn't have, especially given sub-base save)
MCCLEAN - Loser
Please, do us a favor and run some Democrat campaigns!
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Anonymous, at 9:44 PM
Nah, I doubt a lot of Republicans would have voted Schloser in this election. I know I would have stuck with Lieberman. The problem is republicans keep nominating a loser to run for Senate.
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Andrew, at 7:56 AM
If the President and/or other Republican leaders (Romney, Guiliani, Club for Growth, Santorum, McCain) had come out in support of Schlesinger, then his candidacy would have been taken more seriously.
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Anonymous, at 2:39 PM
The problem Andrew is the Republicans are really short with good candidates to run for any office in this state, let alone senate. I mean come on, we can't even do better than Nappier, and Wyman for example?
Let me ask a simple question to prove my point. Can anyone name even one or two Republicans who could give Chris Murphy a run for his money in 2008 in the 5th district? I don't mean some sacrificial lamb, I mean a real canidate. The only name I can think of is maybe Caligiuri. But then do we have a reasonable canidate to take his place in the 16th ?
The Republican party in this state needs to be thinking right now about this, or this will be just one more seat in the Democrats hands until Chris Murphy decides to run for senate in 6 years. Even then there will be plenty of Democrats ready to step in behind him.
We can't run good candidates for these offices because we don't have many to run. And if we don't support our candidates to begin with, we're dead. Which last I looked is just about where we are.
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Anonymous, at 3:44 PM
I don't live in the 5th, I live in the 4th, so I could only think of one right now is Ryan Bingham. Will he win? I'm not sure, but I think it could be a good challenge.
I would have not voted for Lieberman if they had taken Alan out, and replaced him with Jack Orchulli. He is a great guy, and I worked with him when he was helping Richard Moccia run for mayor here in Norwalk.
I agree, there aren't a lot of Republicans in general to run for these offices. But there was something about Alan that rubbed me the wrong way, and I just couldn't vote for him.
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Andrew, at 4:38 PM
How are we supposed to elect Republicans when half the Republicans keep voting for liberal abortion cheerleading Democrats?
Hey you, Lieberman guy. I don't know which "Anonymous" you are but do me a favor: Get into your car, go down to town hall and pick up a voter registration card.
Fill in your address and your REAL name and in the box marked "party" put “Democrat” because that is what you are.
Weiker-Lieberman-Rell-Shays-Chaffee.
Any one but me see a pattern here?
I would much rather vote for nobodys and have them lose every year than to prostitute myself supporting some liberal Democrats pretending to be a Republican.
What the hell is the point? This isn’t a game. Elections are about public policy. Not the headlines the next day after the election. If that is all you care about than either more to a more red state or join the liberal Democrats.
Those are your choices. But my Republican Party is not for sale.
--At any price.
Simmons served with honor and I will never be sorry I voted for him. Your mistake is that you think a office holder loses his or her job always because they made a mistake.
No, not always. Sometimes you are punished for doing the right thing. A real leader (which Simmons and Johnson are) does the right thing which is not always the popular thing. Sometimes a leader has to take a fall for what is right. That's leadership. No guts; no glory.
Non-leaders like Rell and Shays will always do the popular thing. And they may win more elections but what have either of these two liberal nit-wits ever done public policy wise? Nothing. Thats what. They are office holders. That is what they do. They just sit there.
Simmons showed more leadership and got more done in a couple of terms than Sam Gejdenson did is all his 20 years in congress.
Lets remember that and don't be a bit sad. He did us proud.
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mccommas, at 5:13 PM
>>How are we supposed to elect Republicans when half the Republicans keep voting for liberal abortion cheerleading Democrats?
Seeing as it was Republicans not the Supreme Court that 1st brought safe, legal pregnancy termination to the U.S. a few years prior to the Roe decision; maybe it's you that's out of touch.
The choice is not, nor ever has been abortion or not, it's safe legal abortion or illegal back ally abortion or not.
Depending on how the question is phrased, CT Republicans are up to 68% pro-choice.
Neither abortion nor anything "gay" is a consitutional issue; the 2nd ammendment however is.
A less intrusive gov't is a Republican value; that includes restraining what seemed like good ideas that have gone wild like the EPA, FDA, OSHA and would not include any endorsement of bedroom police.
I'd be a lot more interested in protecting others rights to express themselves including their religion (ie: nativity scenes on town greens, prayer in school, etc.) than in ranting and raving about something such as abortion.
Until we collectively protect our religious heritage we can expect no serious long term improvement in the moral stature of the nations citizenry at large.
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Authentic Connecticut Republican, at 8:46 AM
Hi all,
Let me try asking some different questions here.....Why do we think the Republicans took such a beating this week??
Nationally, Is it Iraq? Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld? The economy? all of the above? None of the above?
Locally,are things so good here in Connecticut that we should elect a Democratic super majority? Do we like high taxes? Billions in under funded teacher and state worker pensions? Billions in unfunded state mandates that drive our property taxes so high that less and less of us can afford to live here? State worker benefits that no one in the private world could ever dream of?
Why is it we keep electing Democrats to the General Assemby, and Republican Governors who are key in making this mess? Why is it every election we lose more and more Republican seats in the General Assembly?
What is the message(s) we Republicans need and want to deliver to the average voters in Connecticut that will wake them up? How do we deliver it, and even harder, after we deliver it how then do we get elected?
By the way, this anon is.... Al
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Anonymous, at 10:02 AM
Well Anonymous,
What is the message? Good Question!
I have a perfect story for just that. I went down to Mystic one year for a Gary Franks fund raiser. (Now there is a real Republican!)
I was starved so I was eating and drinking at the same time listening to Gary when this loudmouth right beside me screams at the top of her lungs "When are you people going to send me and Tony some help?"
She scared me to death --- then I got ticked off. Because it was none other than State Senator Cathy Cook. I behaved and didn't make a scene but I really wanted to shout back at her something like "When are you going to do something in Hartford to raise an issue or two that we can use election time?”
Problem is that what few office holders we have just sit there like a bump on a log. I was glad to see Cathy win in -- must have been 92 or 94 -- but she never raised any issues. No red meat. There is no issue that Cathy Cook brought to the pubic square. Not a thing. I am sure she introduced bills and such but she never used her office to get issues out there that rank and file Republicans could latch onto.
Sure she would have lost on any hot button issues she brought up but so what? She should have introduced a bill to do something that will appeal to the average Joe like cut spending or cut taxes or get rid of partial birth abortion or cut welfare or cut out corporate welfare or expand the death penalty or perhaps a police officer's bill of rights (ask me about that some time).
Sure Cook would lose. But then you go to the voters and say "I am for this and so it this guy. Vote for us both". You need issues to move votes. You can argue about which issues those should be but you need issues. Then you run ads that feature those issues.
Thing is Cook never tried to do anything like that. So that’s why Cathy didn’t get any help.
And why the Democrats have full control of the state government right now.
I don’t see much hope for making serious gains in the immediate future.
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mccommas, at 5:13 PM
Mark Boughton for 5th CD 2008
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Anonymous, at 8:03 PM
Hi Mccommas and all, So the question, what is the Republican message? I guess I need to ask do we care about the future for our kids or not? Let's assume we do.
Then the message needs to be this. If this state were a business we would be bankrupt. If the Governor, members of the General Assembly, the Treasurer and Comptroller of this state were on the Board of Directors of any company on the NYSE that ran their business this way they would all be in jail by now.
You have to hand it to Chris Murphy. Get in, help screw things up while advancing your career, then get out ASAP before your mess catches up to you.
We are so far in debt the average voter has no way to understand the numbers. Which by the way works very well for democrats like Murphy.
The only intelligent comment I heard this entire election cycle from any candidate for any office was this: "We live within our ability to pay". (unfortunately, we really don't) but at least it came from none other than Jodi Rell. Not he sharpest knife in the drawer, but the only one with enough guts to be honest, even if it were just for that moment.
So the message has to be we have mortgaged our children's future, now we need to start to dig out of the hole. That means sacrifice, but unless we do the only jobs coming into this state will be at Walmart and CVS. Unless we do we are leaving our kids to deal with an unimaginable mess.
Hey, and I really am positive guy!!!! :-) Al
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Anonymous, at 8:59 PM
Anon, 8:03
Mark Boughton for 5th CD 2008
Would you tell me a bit about him?? Al
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Anonymous, at 9:00 PM
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